but the thing was when they were first for instant background checks the technology wasn't here yet. and so it was easy to say oh, yeah, we're for instant background checks when we get there in five to ten years and but yeah, they're just -- there is a certain -- i mean if somebody was that obsessive about any other thing, if you were obsessive about drugs about anything, that was actually causing harm to the community, to society at large you clung to that and said no matter what, we need to keep doing what we're doing, you would call that person crazy. i mean, diagnosebly crazy. >> stephanie: obviously much has been written and said about gayle trotter as you say embodying the gun nut -- a senior fellow at who the [ bleep ] cares. [ laughter ] ironically, she has been against the violence against women act and here she is testifying about how she needs an uzi. i mean, yeah. right. you were saying she talked about quote-unquote the peace of mind a woman has as she's facing three, four, five violent attacker ins her home with her children screaming in the background. the peace of min